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Below is a transcript of the on-air interview with The Acharis.

Danielle Hennes: Hey, everyone! This is Danielle with Big Sonic Heaven. And I’m here today with a very special guest.

Danielle: This music duo formed in 2015, in Oakland, California, but recently made the move to Michigan, and is now part of our Detroit music scene. I’m here today with The Acharis, Mila and Shaun. Thank you so much for being here with me.

Shaun and Mila: Yeah, thank you for having us on and doing this with us.

Danielle: Thank you so much. Can you tell me a bit about how the band began, and how you guys met? Were you in other bands before this? Did you meet in another another band, and then form this one?

Shaun: Yeah, we were. We are both in different bands in the Oakland music scene, which there’s a lot of bands there. It had kind of a big underground music scene, and we were both playing in different bands, in the kind of punk and noise scene there and then we met and just kind of started this band where we could start playing our own songs.

Mila:  We played a few shows, but one of our goals was at that point to travel, and we didn’t have any money. So it was kind of, you know, being musicians, we thought maybe we should make a band and and create an album, so we can send the demo around. See if we get any shows that we can play while we’re traveling to afford the trip and it kind of came through. So that kind of coalesced with our first tour. We had a few shows before that local, but then we had our first tour in 2015.

Shaun: Yeah, our first tour was like like 3 months long in Europe or something. So we just wanted to go. We kind of used that as an excuse to go on a trip when we made the first demo.

Mila: Yeah. Our demo only had 2 songs, ’cause we were still writing the other songs. And so we just sent the demo which we record in a 4 track, like an analog, 4 track. And then we just sent that around and you know, got some rejections and and some excitement. And so yeah, that sparked the first tour.

Danielle: That’s a really creative travel plan. I like that. Your first album, ‘Lost In Vortex’, came out in 2017, and let me say, like, I find both your albums so interesting. They’re so textured and complex and I feel like no two songs really sound the same. Could you tell me a little bit about what it was like writing and recording your first album together?

Shaun: Yeah, we recorded the first album at my house where I was living in in Oakland, and we kind of we had a music room there and I had been doing some recording with the 4 track cassette. So I was really into that at the time and then, just,I had done a few recordings with my other bands, and I always thought they sounded like, too clean. So I was really into doing the 4 track thing, and then I would do some other stuff that I really liked, like recording the vocals through a guitar amp with the reverb and distortion on there. I really like the sound of that type of stuff and then Mila was kind of more, had some experience programming drum machines and drum beats like that. So I think when we originally made our first very first attempt at music I had recorded some live drums, and we played along to the live drums recording. But then Mila started programming drums, and we kind of liked the sound of that. So we kind of went with that direction with the drum machine.

Mila: And then would you play live drums.

Shaun: Yeah, and then we overdub some drums. But I think the sound of it really came yeah, from the drum machine. And then the recording technique, which was like a really analog kind of homemade recording technique. And then, then I do a lot of the kind of, you know, textural guitar stuff which I use- I don’t use that many pedals- most of my guitar textural stuff comes from just using a loop pedal and like building up a lot of layers.

Mila: Yeah, I mean what you say about the first recordings that are not on the album, but like other recordings that we did before, we just kinda both had songs written songs before we met, and we sort of like reuse some of that, repurposed that, and tried to make it more simple so we can actually play it as a two piece. And what Shawn was explaining earlier that we use, like, realistic drums. So like we pre-recorded real drums. It just didn’t work for me because it didn’t sound, or it didn’t work for us, because it didn’t sound right for a two piece so we simplified it. I guess it was sort of like going a bit mor, or was recognized more as like a post punk thing just because of the drums were so simple. So in the beginning there more people talked about us more of a post punk, noise, rock band, more than a shoegaze band, I think it was because the the drums were more like simple from sampler we had with us.

Shaun: It was also funny. Cause I mean, now we’ve been a band for like 10 years. I feel like around 10 years ago, people just said that more, people said “post-punk” more. And now in 2024 people say “shoegaze” more. You know, is this part of the local like, dialect, I guess? I don’t know. It’s all kind of, you know like you said for us. We’re we’re not that much specific into one genre. So it all kind of blends together.

Danielle: I kind of agree. I think people are throwing the term shoegaze around like like A LOT.

Shaun: Yeah, I see a lot of bands with like, like some 20 year olds in it playing like Alternative rock. And they call it shoegaze. But I don’t know if I would call it that.

Danielle: Like, um that’s not shoe gaze. I’m like that? No, that’s not it. I’m kind of a purist when it comes to shoegaze, so.

Shaun: Yeah.

Danielle : And you know, I feel like you’re… I’ve listened to both your albums of quite a few times, and I feel like to categorize, It’s so hard to categorize your albums, because I feel like each song could be a different genre, you know, really. In your second album, you you teamed up with John Fryer, who has worked with other big sonic heavy-weights, such as Cocteau Twins, Depeche Mode, Clan of Xymox, Chapterhouse, Peter Murphy, Love and Rockets. I mean, that list goes on and on. How did you guys come to meet with him? And how did working with him affect the outcome of that album?

Mila: So, John, was an old friend of a friend of mine. I lived in Norway for a quite a long time, and I have old friend that was an art teacher at one of the schools in Norway. And for some reason, I don’t know, we were talking about mixing, and he’s like, “Oh, you should really meet my friend John, he would totally, that would be a good fit”, and I didn’t really understand who he’s, who he’s talking about. And then once we realize, I mean, I’ve been, you know, really, into the Cocteau Twins for years, and well, especially the recordings that I learned that he had his hands in, and also other recordings that he’s been part of. So when we got the opportunity, I think we met for lunch finally and sort of like, do we like each other or not? I think at this point he already, like, decided that he wants to work with us, he had heard the first album, and so he thought it was interesting, I think. At least, you know that’s what he said to us at the time, and then we just hung out. And it was a just really natural, I think we’re all weirdos. He had his partner with him, and so it was this natural good vibe between us. So we decided to work together on this on this last latest album.

Shaun: Yeah. And I had known, I mean, the the main thing that I  had known him for was This Mortal Coil, The Song to the Siren.

Danielle: YES!

Shaun: It’s like one of the coolest sounding recordings. It’s  really simple. But it just sounds so… I don’t even know what the word for it is… dramatic and kind of cinematic.

Danielle: Yeah.

Shaun: Yeah, once Mila said, “Oh, my friend in Norway said we should record with this guy, John,” but like I hadn’t made the connection in my mind that that was the same person who had made this song. Yeah, I had heard it. But I didn’t even know that much about it. I thought maybe it was just some some like eighties kind of one hit, wonder or something. I didn’t know all this stuff about 4AD and Cocteau Twins, and then like it all came together, and I was like, “Whoa, really? This this guy wants to work with us?”

Danielle: I was gonna say, once you made that connection, did you kinda go? “Whoa!”

Shaun: Yeah. But I mean, I think both if us did but I don’t know. It’s also kinda like….

Mila: Personally, it’s hard for me to feel like truly starstruck, if you have like, I don’t know, you want to do something with your sound, and you know that someone else do would, that has that history. And you, especially like the way he would record and process the vocals that particular like Cocteau Twin sound, that’s something that, not that we chase that at all, But that’s something that was really interesting to know that he had that background, and that the way he makes the songs are just really specific, and they’re full. But also they have this vacancy that’s really beautiful. You can hear every instrument, especially like in our more recent recording, And then  every sound has a unique taste to it. And so I thought that was really interesting, especially for music, because we’re just two people at that point. So knowing that every sound will be taken care of was something that was interesting to us, for sure.

Danielle: I’m sure there’s a level of, you know, when you see a type of list like that, and you and you know that you like those artists and the way that they sound you. Okay. I, I trust that he’s gonna take care of how I want to sound, you know.

Shaun: Yeah, cause I was like a little suspicious of studio recordings actually, before that.
Which is why I did such like a low-fi kind of recording technique on the first album. So I was like, well, every time I’ve gone into a studio with the band, like, it always just comes out sounding really clean, and I feel like it kind of takes all of the soul out of the the recording. So but then… the second almost kind of a complete opposite. It’s really clean sounding. But, I mean, I think it turned out great.

Danielle: Yeah, I would agree.

Mila: There’s a good amount of reverb in it.

Shaun: Yeah, he uses a lot of reverbs and just cool stuff that he has, you know, built up his technique over the years.

Danielle: Yeah, it sounds great. I really enjoyed it. Mila,I read in my preparation to talk to you guys, and I can’t remember exactly where I read it. But you were quoted as saying that you sometimes struggle with words, and that you think visually. So producing the music video for your songs helps to tell the rest of the story of the song and that process was kind of reflected, reflected in your 2021 single “Jesus Thrills”. The line that stands out for me in that song is “I got my body and my body got me. The only thing I can control” and the video contains vintage images of women celebrating and socializing and dancing, and I was just wondering if you could sort of talk about that process a little bit. And if you see that process, like, including the visual music video as as more of a complete artistic expression of what you’re trying to convey? If that makes sense

Mila: Yeah, it does make sense. And I’m sure I said that, and I feel that way still. And then and there’s, in a respect that English is my second language, that’s the first thing, and I do feel that as an artist or anybody that does also work with visual art in in some way, I mean, some things that you can’t explain are, can be expressed through art right? And I think sometimes visual and audio can be collaborators in that. And I always liked to imagine visuals when I wrote songs, because it made me feel stronger about the songs, and it sometimes gave me an information about what kind of lyrics I want to write because I saw the pictures before, and when I see the picture, or when I see the image to the melody then the lyrics are sort of accompanying those visuals. And so in that specific song, I think I just wanted to….it’s very like vague as well, I think that video is obviously like sort of a celebration of women, or people who identify as women and and I guess that’s that line that, as you said, sort of speaks to that, like “I got my body and my body got me.” I mean, I feel like there’s a vulnerability in it, and, you know. I mean we’re both, I would say, agnostic, so that title is a bit like, you know, not literally meant. But in that world where, if you would say, Jesus thrill you know it’s like God’s most thrilling creation. And that we have our bodies, and that there’s so like mystical in some ways.

Danielle: Right

Mila: I think that’s like sort of like a reminder to myself that we are these really powerful creatures.

Danielle: Yeah, I like that.

Mila: All of us. But you know, obviously, as I said, this is meant for women and people who identify as women and girls in that like, I guess this fem energy and I just liked it. And so I expressed it with visuals that were like… I had to like
frame it that way with the visual set. I found that was only based on women. And yeah.

Danielle: That was definitely the vibe that I got. Once I watched the video, it was definitely like just women, well, or people who identify as women, just unapologetically, being happy and feminine, and dancing and enjoying themselves. And it was just a very cool vibe, and it was…and I felt like it sort of completed the story. And I really just got that, like, it closed the circle of the of the what you were trying to express. So I thought that was really cool.

Mila: Oh, thank you. It’s as I said, it’s hard to express it in words. So I hope that… I think like in art…it should not be too expository in my opinion. So yeah, I feel like it should be free to interpret, and they should give you a feeling about something more than
you know, telling you what to think. So sometimes it’s hard to explain. Sure, I can tell you what I feel about it. But I’m also really curious what other people feel when they see it or hear the song.

Danielle: Yeah. Well, we’re gonna post a link to that video when we put this on the website and air the interview. But right now from their 2021 album, Blue sky/Grey Heaven. Here is “Jesus Thrill” by The Acharis.

Danielle: If you’re just joining us, that was “Jesus Thrill” by The Acharis, and I’m here with Mila and Shaun, who formed the band in Oakland, California, but have recently moved here to Detroit. Can you tell me what The Acharis means to you artistically, and how you see this move to Detroit affecting that?

Mila: You mean the name of the band, or just our collaboration?

Danielle: I’m wondering, I guess, like, what prompted you to move here, or if it was just something that happened randomly, or did you move because of the band? Or do you have family here, or….?

Shaun: Yeah, well we moved here, basically, it was kind of because of money. But I mean, that wasn’t the only reason, obviously, but like San Francisco and Oakland, if you’re not familiar with the geography of the area, are right next to each other. It’s the San Francisco Bay area. So it’s all kind of part of the same cultural music scene there, and art scene. And there’s a lot of, you know, artists and creative people living there kind of just working whatever jobs to, you know, be able to do their creative outlet. But it did get more and more expensive. And you know, over time, I think a lot of people ended up leaving just because it’s it became harder and harder to survive as an artist. And then there was also this incident with a fire at an underground venue where a lot of people died.

Danielle: Oh no!

Shaun: And we also had a lot of friends from our community die and it just…things just felt like they came to a close, I think. So we were kind of figuring out what we’re gonna do. And then at that time we had heard from a few people who moved to Detroit and they were telling us about it, like it was almost like an urban legend that you could buy a house in Detroit for a thousand dollars. So then so we came out here on a road trip, and we thought it was a really cool city. And it just, you know, seemed like an opportunity. So and there’s obviously a reason, you know. I wouldn’t have just moved anywhere. It had to be like a big, a real city with a cool, underground music scene. That was like really important to us, I think. Then we kind of chose Detroit and just dove in. And then I’ve been finding more and more cool things like, you know, bands. And then I just stumbled across your radio station, and it just, more and more, I feel like you uncover like cool secrets about the city, and it’s kind of fun to learn about the, you know, artistic legacy of Detroit and it kind of feels special, because in a way, I feel they’re a bit hidden. And you have kind of have to search to like find out about it.
But there is a real cool, you know, music and artistic community here in Detroit. So we’re excited to kind of become part of that.

Danielle: And Detroit is definitely. I mean, I’ve lived here my whole life and I grew up, not too far…I know, we’ve talked about where you bought your house, and I grew up not too far from where you live and that neighborhood, that area, It’s a lot different than it used to be. I’ll just say that. And especially the downtown area it’s almost, like when when I walk downtown now, It’s almost like walking through Chicago, you know? It’s like a real city, and it’s great to see, just a new life sort of breathing into it. And you’re right. There is a lot of… It’s a cool music scene, and there is a cool, artistic community. So you’ll you’ll you’ll enjoy it. It’s a great city, and I’ve loved it the entire time I’ve been here.

Mila: Yeah, no, we enjoyed it, too. I mean, we’re in Highland Park. So technically, we’re like, I guess, just north of it of Detroit. But yeah, I mean, I really love it here too. I found like a lot of good friends. And I’m in school right now, which has also been working out. If I was staying in San Francisco, it was, just like $2,000 a month for like studio apartment. It’s just not feasible if you want to go to school, things like that. So what Shaun said is, you know, the same for me in many ways. So obviously, it’s different when you move from somewhere else, than people that have been living here, well, forever. But, for us. It’s just like, yeah, we we really love it here, and we’re not planning to go anywhere else right now.

Danielle: aw, good!

Shaun: It seems like you meet a lot of people, and you wouldn’t know it, but then they’re like doing some really cool creative thing, too. And then once you get to know people, they might tell you about it. I think Mila met someone recently who was another in another band on 4AD. So we we just meet a lot of cool people, creative people. And you know there’s a lot going on. So yeah, it’s it’s exciting to be here.

Danielle: Yeah, I’m glad you chose here, and I’m glad you reached out to me. It’s very cool. I feel like you guys have a a complex sound. And like I said earlier, one that’s not easily placed into one particular genre. And I know this question is probably asked a lot, but I feel because each song is so unique to the next one. I’m really kind of interested to know who would, you say A.) influenced you to a become a musician to begin with, and B.) like influenced the sound of the last album, Blue Sky/Grey Heaven?

Shaun: I think one of our favorite bands is Broadcast. ‘Cause they’re a really a cool band that, I think, also kind of defies categorization. Like they have, some of their songs are just really nice and melodic, and then they also have some kind of noise stuff and they kind of defy being put into a certain genre. For the most recent album I would I would say, more of like, Yeah, Cocteau Twins….

Mila: I would say Cindy Lee. And well, yeah, we let’s just listen to a lot of music, I think, also, like, movies would be inspiring us in that way. And then we kind of like, juxtapos it in our head, because I don’t think we’re trying to emulate events specifically. But I think all these influences are playing in the background for sure.
I was big, you know, fan of Sonic Youth when I was a kid. So I think that, at least in our first album that’s like in the back of my mind, I’m sure not explicitly. But it’s there alright.

Shaun: The first album was probably more like in the Sonic Youth era of inspiration. And then, yeah, the second album we did, we just mentioned Cindy Lee, who we we played with on tour, and then we really liked those albums. Cindy Lee has a new album actually called Diamond Jubilee that’s really amazing. If anyone wants to check it out. But we also started listening to some more obscure music, like Japanese lounge music. We had one album called “Swing Low” that we really liked. I think it’s by Hattori Hunter. I’m not sure exactly the artist name. But we were just searching out some more different sounds and kind of being influenced less by, I think, rock music and more into like ambient music.

Mila: But that didn’t really influence our sound it was just something that we listen to.

Danielle: Yeah, you’ll have to send me that Japanese one. I’m interested to hear what that sounds like.

Shaun: I felt like we kind of went down a rabbit hole of finding this. There’s a lot of videos on YouTube. And that I just remembered that name of that album. But there was quite a few different from that era, seemingly, Japanese kind of
“Lynchian” lounge music. Oh, yeah, it’s by Harry Hansano, Jr. That’s what I thought it was, Hansano. But I didn’t want to say it wrong.

Shaun: Miharu Koshi and Harry Hansono, Jr. From 1996.

Danielle: Okay. Cool.Alright. Picture this…

Shaun: Oh yeah Julee Cruise too, I think, that type of, you know, Twin Peaks kind of vibe was kind of influencing that a little bit darker sound on the Blue sky/Grey Heaven.

Danielle: Yeah. I used to love that Twin Peaks soundtrack. And Julee Cruise, yeah.

Shaun: Oh, that’s so good!

Danielle: mHmm.

Mila: But I think…one part of …when you say the sounds are all different or just songs sound all different. I think that’s because we both are very different people, and we come from very different, like, genres. I mean Shaun, I think he started more in the rock thing and had, like, punk and EBM. And I came more from, like, a noise, and then synth, maybe based stuff so, and then also punk, but I think our roots are different also because I grew up in Europe. So I think what you hear in the songs are also us, too, sort of like there’s like a dichotomy
of us to sort of like figuring out our sound, and have a place in the band. So I think there is some, not struggle I would say, because, we’re also a couple and we’re collaborating in this way that we’re just both putting our
inspirations together. And I think sometimes that’s why this sounds a little bit different or sound like one or the other too.

Danielle: Yeah. I was wondering if, you know, you just mentioned that you were a couple and how that dynamic works. Well, in the band, if there’s a separation between band and “marriage”…or you know what I’m saying?

Mila: Well…..We’re not married.

Danielle: Yeah.

Mila: I don’t think we will. But but we’ve been together for a long time. So yeah, I mean, you know, as long as we’ve been together, we’ve been in the band.

Danielle: Yeah

Mila: So I feel like it’s hard to tell. You know, how to say, keep it separate. But obviously we have also a life outside of the band. You know, it’s interesting. I think we’re both growing in this way that, we keep redefining ourselves in the band. Also, half of our band is not here, unfortunately, they live in the bay, and they’re actually flying in for the show that we’re about have, which we’re super excited about. The two other band members that we haven’t mentioned yet, Janice and Adrian. We’ve been long time friends with them, I mean, I’ve toured with both of them in different bands. Adrian used to play in the band called Daisy World, which is a great band. And  Janice, used to be in a band called Silver Shadows, which is also an amazing band. So yeah, I think having them back is just also such a treat. So we’re looking forward to having, having them for the shows here.

Shaun: I’ll just clarify quickly, though, that they’re not on the recordings in the live band because, we we felt that in order to really like deliver live, It was too hard to do with just the two of us. So yeah, we added them as the live band, and we’re super happy to have them in the band, and I think that I think that our live performances just come across on a whole new level, having them with us.

Danielle: Yeah, that was a good segue to ask you if you wanted to, uh I know you have some exciting news to introduce yourself to the Detroit music scene next week.

Shaun: Alright, yeah. So I’m just gonna pause for one second…

Mila: We have our dog.

Danielle: That’s okay.

Mila: Yeah, so she’s been really annoying. (Laughing) So if we have stopped answering question for a moment or it’s just because she’s been licking our feet and being annoying. So yeah. (Laughing)

Danielle: That’s okay.

Mila: Sorry for that.

Danielle: No worries.

Mila: That’s what we get too. We get you know, being more in inside of the city, we have more space outside. So we have a lot more dogs.

Danielle: Yeah.

Shaun: Yeah, we have one, one of our dogs is a Highland Park dog, actually. I found her walking around outside in the streets. And then I was only gonna take her home and and feed her and stuff. But now she lives with us.

Danielle: Oh, but that is so sweet! You got another family member.

Mila: Yeah. But I think we’re cool now. Yeah, sorry can you repeat your question? Sorry.

Danielle: Yeah. So tell us how you’re gonna be introducing yourself to the Detroit music scene next week.

Shaun: Yeah. May fourteenth! We have our first Detroit gig opening for Ringo DeathStarr at Smalls. And we’re really excited about that. It’s gonna be a really perfect for us gig for us, I think.

Danielle: Yeah.

Shaun: We’ve been just kind of waiting to you know, dive into the scene here. After after moving here and stuff, you know, it takes a while to get situated, but I think it’s going to be a really awesome show, and we’re really looking forward to it.

Danielle: Yeah, it’s a great way to sort of dive in like you said, that’s a pretty big show. What’s next for you guys, are you working on any new material?

Mila: Yeah, you know, if you saw how many years are between the albums, I mean the first album we toured for several years. And  after 10 years together, the second one we released like only was already like 3 years after that, 2017 to 2021

Shaun: So at that schedule we would be due for another one next year!

Mila: oh yeah, So that’s true. So I guess we better hurry up. You know. I mean, it’s all, It’s also inspiration. I think we’re doing different things in life as well. As I said I’m in school and I also make films. And so there’s just like a variety of different art practices that we’re involved with. So I think music is just the circle, and we kind of always find back to it in one or the other way, and we keep playing that way, you know? I guess we wrote a new song that is not on the album that you will hear actually at the show. So I shouldn’t say that entirely. But I think we’re we’re gonna be soon at the place where we write new songs. Yeah, and find some new inspiration to write more music.

Shaun: Yeah, I think the first  album had kind of this energy of being like a kind of low-fi homemade thing in a way. And then the second one had its own kind of energy, and vibe from working with John Fryer and I think once we once we kind of find the direction that we want to go with the newer album, a new, a new album. I think it will come easily.

Mila: The first one also had a lot of teenage angst, even though we were not teens.  potential which is not anymore as much. Now, I don’t feel as existential, existential anymore as I felt when we were in between living situations. But I think a lot of our personal experience also flows into the type of music or the type of songs.

Shaun: We’ve had discussions about it. Put it that way. I think we’re gonna have kind of like, intellectual discussions about the album for a long time before we actually record anything

Mila: I was really picky. Hence the the time between the albums. There’s always a lot of ideas, but you know you can only pick so many that are that you think are good. You can make a ton of songs. But…

Danielle: There’s only so much room on the record.

Mila: Well, you have to pick, you know. I mean, honestly like, we just talked about this before we wrote 2 more songs and recorded them and had them mix with John Fryer that are not on the album. And so we actually we’re censoring a lot of this stuff that we don’t find should be on the album in the end. So I feel, you know, when you want to be proud of the of the piece of music, like an album. You know, you can try a lot of different things, and maybe you even push your idea until the end, and then you gotta be comfortable with also like killing your darlings and maybe not put everything out that you first thought was good. And so I think that kind of reflects in the process too.

Shaun: I think another thing with our albums is that we always kind of want to make something that’s a bit timeless and not necessarily fitting into you know what’s going on at the time, or certain genres. So like you said, Yeah, sometimes it seems like it kind of seems all over the place at times, but i think it does come together in a cohesive way.

Danielle: Oh, absolutely!

Shaun: But I think part of that is just making something that stands alone. And you know someone might, someone might listen to an album, you know, 3 or 4 years after it came out and be like, you know, hopefully, thinking that it’s like, Wow, this is original, really original sound. It doesn’t quite sound like anything else that I’m I’m hearing now. So that’s one thing we, I think, trying to consider when we’re trying to put together a whole body of work. which is also, I think, now, I think, is a little bit less, It seems like a lot of artists now are releasing singles. And I don’t know. I mean, obviously, you know, albums will be will forever be a thing. But we’re definitely an album band.

Danielle: Yeah.I felt like the Blue Sky/Grey Heaven, It was almost like listening to a soundtrack. Not that it was all over the place, but that it was like a soundtrack to a movie, that it was… that there was different things going on but it was all part of the same story, you know?

Mila: I like that. I think that’s kind of I think that’s at least spot on with how I feel in this like cinematic way. That it tells a story, and has different parts to the story in different scenes. So I really like that. Thank you.

Danielle: Yeah.

Shaun: I’ve I’ve actually always loved soundtracks. I like the “Twin Peaks” one you just mentioned, but also the “Kids” soundtrack. That was like big influence on me and “The Lost Highway” soundtrack. There was quite a few that, kind of, I think I listened to a lot when I was younger.

Danielle: When I had friends,  that were in bands in Detroit my thing in my head was, “if I could just get one of their songs played on a soundtrack,” because to me that meant that you made it. You know?

Mila: Oh cool, yeah.

Mila: Yeah, I mean, we recently watched the Jim Jarmush film, “Only Lovers left Alive”. You know, it’s funny because we had never watched that film, actually, but we’re like “We gotta watch it. We’re in Detroit!” We can’t, you know, not watch it. And that has actually such a good soundtrack too. I’ve been having it in my head like more or less constantly. But it’s sort of in the background a lot of situations. I remember that soundtrack a lot, too. So yeah.

Danielle: I got one more question for you.

Shaun: What’s up?

Danielle: I got one more question for you. It’s kind of a lighthearted, you know?  So I want you to kind of picture this. You’re in your car. It’s a beautiful day outside, the sun is shining. You’re driving down the road with the window down, and you got the music going, and THE song comes on, and it gets to that ONE part, and even though it’s 82 degrees outside, it gives you the chills. Tell me what song is playing for you.

Mila: That’s a loaded question! (Laughing) Well, I mean, here, I’m gonna get my phone, because what’d I listen to last.

Shaun: I mean, I would say one classic like you know top song for me is “Shake Some Action” by Flaming Groovies

Danielle: What is it?

Shaun: “Shake Some Action” by Flaming Groovies.

Danielle: Okay….

Shaun: Never get tired of that one.

Shaun: But yeah, I’m, I’m also, I guess, kind of into the just, like, power pop songs I really love. Obviously “The Song to the Siren”, either version. The This Mortal Coil version, or the Tim Buckley version.

Danielle: We play that on Big Sonic Heaven all the time.

Shaun: And I must say that, you know, I have to say My Bloody Valentine. They’re just you know, such a good band! That’s another one I just never get sick of and I feel like they’re they’re often copied, but never, no one can come close.

Danielle: Yeah. Mila, What’s playing for you?

Mila: Yeah, I mean, what would that be? Well, lately, I mean, I listen to new music all the time, and I’ve listened to a lot of Thai Psychedelic music lately, or like South-East Asian psychedelic music when I’m driving -it makes me happy. And it’s you know, just there’s like a compilation that I like, “The Sounds of Siam” and I’ve listened to that a lot on Spotify. And What else do I listen to? God…It’s hard question. I guess the Cleaners From Venus. I’ll listen to that, Only A Shadow. I like that song, that gives me a chills. You know that band? Cleaners from Venus?

Danielle: I don’t know that band!

Mila: Oh, okay, that’s a great band to listen to, and also a lot of they, they have a lot of 4 track cassette recordings of just really, really good songs. Powerpop stuff.

Danielle: all right…

Shaun: It’s it’s hard to say that’s like….

Danielle: Different answer on a different day. Right?

Shaun: Yeah, it’s like, it’s like, you know, yeah, when someone asks you, what’s what’s your favorite song? It it depends on the month.

Mila: And I mean one of my favorite albums is definitely Cindy Lee’s,  “Act of Tenderness”. That’s something that I would always recommend, for people haven’t heard of them, or have heard of them and don’t know the album it’s kind of an important album for me personally.

Shaun: Yeah, Cindy Lee is getting a lot of hype right now in the blogosphere, but it’s well deserved. That album is really good, “Act of Tenderness”. I think, I think that one is one we would both agree on it’s just a perfect album.

Danielle: I’m going to have to check out some albums when I get off with you.

Shaun: Awesome. Well, I hope we could expose you to something that you never heard before.

Danielle: Very cool. Alright. Well, it was really cool getting to talk to you guys and getting to know you. I am planning on coming out to see you, so I’ll definitely stop by and say Hi.

Mila: Yeah, please do so. So that’d be nice to meet you in person.

Danielle: Yeah, it’s nice to be able to, you know, I do these interviews, and usually they’re not in Detroit. So it’ll be nice to be able to meet in person.

Shaun: Awesome. Oh, yeah.

Danielle: Right!

Shaun: That’s a big week for shoegaze, I think Ride is playing the following day.

Danielle: They are. You’re right. It’s kind of, there was another band that was supposed to be here. Cathedral Bells was going to play at Lager House but I think they had to cancel the last leg of their tour, so.

Shaun: Yeah, and I know Trauma Ray is also playing on the twelfth. So a lot of good shows happening.

Danielle: Yeah, this summer is going to be great.

Shaun: There are a lot of options,I feel like here in Detroit, like, every weekend. You can really find something, you know, that suits your taste, no matter what you’re into.

Danielle: Alright. Well, I’ll see you all next week, and thanks so much for being here.

Shaun: Alright. Thank you.

Danielle: Bye.

Mila: Bye, bye.

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